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I have read a lot of these post and while I can't stand DROA they are not a scam. I know I will get blow back from this. What they are is a very unethical domain registrar. They do charge a little too much but there business model is not misleading. Their statement is correct that if you fail to renew your domain by the expiration date, you could lose your domain. I do not agree with what they do but it is not a scam. The letter stats you do not have to renew with your current registrar or DROA. I have lost customers to these yahoos and while it makes me mad, what they do is a legitimate business. The send out mailings based on your whois info.
The best way to keep yourself protected from getting these letters or having customers get the letters is to make your domain registration private. DROA gets your infromation by doing a whois lookup. All your contact info is publicly available by doing this.
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Re: "The send out mailings based on your whois info."
They don't always. My company registers our information in the WHOIS, like private registration for our clients. DROA has been looking up our clients' fax numbers (listed on their sites) and contacting them directly. Every time I have seen an "Order Confirmation" email or transfer request come in, I have contacted the client, who immediately demanded a refund from DROA. DROA is clearly trying to fool an unsuspecting office manager into paying.
I want to be clear that we own the domain. Contractually, our client has the right to transfer the domain if they provide prior authorization, but for legal purposes, we own own it. Essentially, it seems to me, DROA is contacting a third party and enticing them to transfer a domain name that they don't own. Is there an ICANN policy about this?
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does anyone know if I can fight and get my money back? Yes, I was an idiot for doing this without researching the company, and my domain doesn't even expire until March 2010. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated.
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Thank you for the information--I received a notice from DRoA today (11/27/09), stating that my registration would expire unless I pay by 12/28/09. On top of being misleading, it listed someone else's domain name. We are a non-profit museum, and unfortunately we see a lot of scams like this.
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We have received no letter, but DRoA's website doesn't exist anymore and now, our website is not coming up either on any search engine. We are worried that our domain name is gone. We're in the process of transferring it to GoDaddy, but GoDaddy cannot reach DRoA.... Help. I called the FTC and they were zero help.
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I too work for a not-for-profit organization and just got the exact same letter. Same dates and everything. Money is always tight in the non-profit world, so thanks to whoever posted this article so we didn't get sucked into this scam!
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File FIRST with the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) - and then with the BBB (Better Business Bureau). I will soon post address for the "owners" of this "company" and you can then send their garbage back to them.
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Eric Voisard is clearly the leader of this notorious scam operation, out of Toronto. Eric Voisard.
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Its partly my fault. I should be watching for things like this. I did speak to someone in Canada who seemed reluctant to speak, but after he sensed that did not know what was going on he chwnged his tune to offering to host the site for an additional 10.00 on top of what i had already paint in July! 50.00. It may not seem like alot but i remember when I was doing reall good in my business and I would send in alot more because I wanted to avoid having to renew over and over each year. What a dummy. Oh well live and learn
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9/24/09 - I received a bill from them today which is identical to the one posted here from them. Scam still active.
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I just issued the following complaint via ICANN's Web-based complaint form. I'm not sure it will do any good since ICANN, which accredits domain name registrars, notes that they are not an enforcement agency -- however, it can't hurt to get the word out to them if they're in the dark on this.
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On 9/23/09 I received a bogus "Domain Name Expiration Notice" from Domain Registry of America, which holds itself out as a private company that acts as a "Registration Service Provider." Domain Registry of America, in conjunction with eNom and Brandon Grey Internet Services INC, ICANN accredited registrars, sends out letters of this type all the time to unsuspecting consumers whose domains are NOT registered with them, and whose domains are NOT expiring. My domain, for example, will NEVER expire as long as I continue hosting it with 1&1 web hosting. It is my suggestion that you contact these registrars as well as Domain Registry of America and issue a "Cease and Desist" notice. Then, if they continue this practice you should advise eNom and Brandon Grey Internet Services that they will no longer be ICANN accredited registrars to put an end to this madness. When they do snag someone's domain, the word on the street is that they refuse to transfer the domain to other registrars and refuse to offer refunds. For more on their illegal practices see the blog at [link to this blog].
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Domain Registry of America's Toronto call center "supervisor" Eric Voisard--who seems to be in charge of the scam--says they've been in business for 10 years. A very successful scam, it seems. At least two other men at DROA are operating this scam: Peter Chan and Steven Linn. All three of these men are located in Toronto. Eric Voisard's email address is evoisard@droa.com. I'm putting this information on as many website discussions as I can, for two reasons: to inform potential scamees, and to try to get these names as Google-able as possible, so these criminals will have trouble getting jobs at legitimate companies in the future.
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I get their letters of renewal too. It must be pretty profitable for them, been getting for years. You would think the legitimate organizations would lobby to shut people like that down. It takes busines away from them.
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I have had exactly the same experience except that I payed thinking it was a legitimate bill. I intend to try and get my money back - but if that fails I will try to get it back from my credit card. Living in a continuing care facility for seniors (80 yrs) it's kind of hard to pursue a scam of this sort.
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Now I’ve given them back some of their shit. I have had the customer relations manager Eric Voisard evoisard@droa.com on a series of emails suggesting I want to register a domain dancefever.ws
I have created a lot of work for him and now I told him I sent them money via Western Union (which I obviously have not) This is what they wrote to me last “We do not normally accept payment in this fashion, we will have to send someone to pick it up later today or maybe even tomorrow”. Whoever they send is going to look like a fool at the Western Union office with my phony code to pick up the money!
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Domain Registry of America is at it again by doing business as the Domain Renewal Group. What a bunch of scam artists. It's exactly the same company, same addresses, same everything. So apparently their disgusting reputation was becoming better known so they decided like any other defunct immoral business to dba another name. These companies obviously have and same letter with a slight change in the icon. Same small print on the back that lures a business into false pretence and scams them out of money. The address to send the checks is the same too.
Domain Renewal Group = Domain Registry of America
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This same company has tried to scam me several times over the past couple years via email and U.S. mail ("snail mail"). The latter would definitely constitute mail fraud except Domain Registry of America very carefully worded their letter so that it will be viewed by authorities in the U.S. as just an opportunistic attempt to get your business and not an actual attempt to defraud you. Scaring a potential customer is not a crime in the United States.
This is what happens when your domain registry is public instead of private. These con artists find your domain expiration information in the "Who's Who" registry (or some such darn thing). You can make your registry private by paying your legitimate domain registration service extra money to do that.
So, Domain Registry of America is about as crooked as they come but they'll never see a fine or do jail time. Not in America, anyway, where it has always been "buyer beware".
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Domain Registry of America also ripped me off...
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It gets worse...
My sister fell for this back in 2003 before they were required to stop misrepresenting themselves. She ‘renewed’ for two years and I didn’t even realize that this company had her site until 2006. We tried to transfer it away from them at that time and then again in 2007. In 2008 we thought we finally had it taken care of, but our other hosting company and made a mistake, so we were back to square one.
I’ve spent hours trying to get one of their managers, Eric, to allow me to transfer. Turns out the hosting company and Brandon Gray International (aka Namejuice dot com) all lead back to the same people. It's such a complete and utter scam. Before I realized how debase these people really were, I thought I could reason with them. I pointed out to Eric that he was violating ICANN policy, but he said his company policy required me to wait 120 days for my credit card to clear — what total BS!!!!. He didn’t care that he was violating ICANN policy.
He then offered to let me transfer it for $200 dollars. Since, he refused to allow me to transfer because of his ‘company policy,’ I asked him to show me where it stated he could charge me for the transfer. He had the audacity to put me on hold and go in and change his policy before getting back on the phone and telling me where to find it. Since I was already familiar with the company’s business practices, I had already opened all the policy pages in tabs in my browser, so of course my copy didn’t have the one liner saying he could charge me!!! I can not believe this guy could be so blatant and stupid. I’ve already submitted a complaint to ICANN. And after repeatedly seeing this company’s complete and utter lack of ethics, I will do whatever I can to help see them pay for their crimes.
If anyone has a copy of the letter they send out, please get it posted on the web where I can find it, or send it in here so it can be forwarded to me. I’m particularly looking for one of their earlier ones that only state in small print that this is a transfer. I'm trying to find the one they originally sent us back in 2003. I appreciate any help.
My hope is to get my sister’s domain out of these crook’s hands and try to stop them from causing anyone else this pain.
Domain Registry of America
They are doing the same thing to me and not letting me transfer. They claim. Did they let you transfer after the 120 days ended? How did your problem end up?
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I have been receiving
I have been receiving letters from them as well, I have already asked them to remove me from the list and to never contact me again. Guess what? A couple months later, I get another one for another domain name I own. I warned them last time that if they do contact me again, I would contact ICANN as well as the BBB. After searching on Google a bit, I decided to also file a complaint with the FTC, which I did a few minutes ago. So they now have a complaint from me with ICANN (which they are accredited under Namejuice.com/BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES), BBB, and FTC.
I see that in 2003 the FTC took action against them while DRoA was reselling for eNom. I came across your blog while searching Google for more information about these scammers. I love the recording. It is amusing how when backed in to a corner they behave like the rats they are. They hide. Count me as one !@#$!@#% off consumer!
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I am a website designer that takes care of domain name registrations for my clients. Domain Registry of America attempted to transfer one of my client's domains to their registrar service. Their email makes it look like my client requested the transfer when in fact he hadn't. They also provide a link you can click on but if you click on the link it will automatically authorize the transfer and unlock the domain. The link goes to droa.com
This latest Domain Registry of American scam started for me on October 2, 2008.
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It's shocking, but I when I got one of these letters I noticed that, even at £20 Sterling a year, these con artists are still 25% cheaper than the guys who are legitimately holding our domain. Grrr! :o(
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I’m in Australia and have received letters from them with Aussie, US and Canadian addresses over the past 4-5 years. I’m always thrilled [not] to get their new invoices [like today] for a client domain and wish there was something we could all do to ban these miserable gits.
I wrote a blog post just today and then googled them and found your site. All the info above is great - at least we can expose them in some small way.
May have gotten out of it!
The person who handles invoices for a group I deal with accidentally sent them $50. I found out about it, called them up, said it was an error and we wanted not to use their service. The person, Jessica, that I spoke with said they would issue a refund and it would arrive in a few weeks. Hopefully that will not be a scam, too!
These people have a good scam going!
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A solution with DRA is to send back their envelope for payment filled with journal paper but without affixing any postage stamp and without your personal address. If they want to know the content of the envelope, they must pay for the tax. And we can hope they will receive thousands of unfranked mails.
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I was totally taken by suprise by this letter, the SAME one that you all got. Now I know not to send them money. Such a scam!
Renewal of my domain name
When I saw this letter it kind of puzzled me, I had to wonder why I was getting this. I don't want people to loss there businesses because of this, kind of scam.
I am very upset with people like this .
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