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"We can beat DRoA and they're scams if we all pull together"

I own several domains and have been getting this type of crap for years. It's been a while, but I just got one from DROA today.

I was told by someone who designs websites that they get your info from the WHOIS directory, which is one of the reasons I have a P.O. Box. In my WHOIS listings, on the 1st address line I put the P.O. Box # and on the second address line I put "SPAM WILL BE REPORTED". Lo and behold, everytime I get one of these letters it has my name, the P.O. Box, "SPAM WILL BE REPORTED" and the city, state and zip. That's how you know they are using a bot to grab addresses out of the WHOIS. And of course, my spam warning doesn't deter them but at least I know.

DROA isn't the only "company" that pulls this crap. Whenever you see a similar letter, just get rid of them. It's been nearly five years since the last one I got and I figured I was done!

We received one of these notices and sent a check. Fortunately register.com had a lock on our account and they were not able to move it over without authorization. We called to compain and request a refund where Lois laughed at us and said it was our fault for mis-understanding and then hung up on us! We will never be switching to Domain Registry after this!

This is really informative. I guess everyone should watch out for this to avoid their website from getting closed! It's a great loss for the website owner with all these scams all over the internet!

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It appears to me that DRoA might be violating the FTC settlement they negotiated. If you have paid monies to DRoA and wish to pursue legal action, please contact me by email. If you can, include scanned copies of any invoices they have mailed you or copies of any emails you have exchanged with them.

Sending any information does not create an attorney-client relationship, so please don't send anything that is confidential.

Very truly yours,
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I own a domain registry site, ProWebName http://www.prowebname.com ,who these guys skim off my clients all the time. My clients get mad at me when they find out... I try to help them out the best I can by giving them the best rate I can to move them back. The problem is it takes 90 days to get them moved back because of ICANN rules. ICANN needs to step-up and give Domain Registry of America the boot!

*Continued*
Part of the below message was sent to the BBB
which included the Email I sent to DROA

As noted all over the internet, My company also fell victim to Domain Registry of America, although we did not find out we had been SCAMMED until GoDaddy.com continued to let us know that our account was still behind in payment for renewal of our Domain Name.

We, my family, did research of our records and found we had been scammed by Domain Registry of America. Just by entering thier company name into Google we found thousands of entries involving DROA ripping off the American People. It appears that this has been going on for over NINE years, Unbelievable!!!!

Web References:
http://www.ucan.org/blog/money_privacy/consumer_scam/domain_registry_of_america_scam

http://www.google.com/search?q=Domain+Registry+of+America+scam&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

This problem should be re-addressed as people are being taken advantange of for FAR TO LONG!
Please include me in a CLASS ACTION law suit and lets put this company out of business and the owners behind bars where they belong!

I have asked for a REFUND by Email:
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To whom it may concern at Domain Registry of America,

I here by cancel any and all services with DROA and require a Full refund of the $60.00 that DROA received by falsely representation for a Domain Name Renewal of .

NO SERVICES HAVE BEEN RENDERED AS OF THIS EMAILING

As to the ‘Truth In Lending Act’ (TILA), I expect the full refund amount to be in the mail no later than 7 business days of of the receipt of this Email.

Full Refund to be mailed to:

Jacksonville, FL

Owner

(This email is being CC to the Federal Trade Commision, Governor of Michigan) spam@uce.gov
(Also this matter will be followed up with the Better Business Bureau)
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It's outright deception is appalling.
but you have to give them kudos for having the balls.

Why are people so quick to give away their hard earned money? There wouldn't be scams like this if folks didn't fall for them. Once you get it in your head that every company is out to scam you, then you can research and make your decisions wisely with who you do business with. To this very day people are still falling for the Nigerian scam, WISE UP.

Domains are $7 a year on Godaddy but DROA sells them for $30 a year, a quick google search tells you that. I've been getting these DROA notices for years and they go straight to the trash.

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Nevermind, they did include an envelope, but it was not prepaid, so reverse-scamming them won't work.

Take the prepaid envelope they send you, and put in enough pennies to make it weigh more than 18oz, then mail it back to them at no expense to yourself. The fee they have to pay for the extra weight should cost more than the worth of the pennies. Thus costing them money. I also recommend including a nasty note; personally, I'm going to send a trollface.

I just got a letter from them

The self addressed envelope is in Buffalo, New York.

Their cheapskates too, they don't even send a prepaid envelope.

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This scam is still active, I just received a letter today.

Most disturbing thing is that they linked me to a relatively new overseas address that I have never used to register ANY of my domains with. Definitely something unethical behind how they get their targets' data too.

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I just found out that my mother, a recent widow, received this notice shortly after my dad's passing. She didn't know what company she was dealing with or her original registrar. Unfortunately she paid them by check. I don't even know yet if the $95 dollars was for three years or for only one! Is there a way to get the money back? Has anyone been successful in doing so? Her current registrar has just charged the credit card for the real renewal.

Thanks for any help.

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This is a transcript of my correspondence with a customer service rep last week. Professional right? Start at the bottom for the full story.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Voisard
To: XXX
Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: Shady business practice

If you want to remain ignorant of our prices and deals because it better suits your pre-determined notions about us, by all means, live in ignorance, I'm sure it is more comfortable for you there.
And your claim that you are giggling to your "friends" on your "social networking sites" has been quite entertaining for us, thank you.

Eric Voisard
Customer Relations Manager
1-866-434-0212 ex 248
evoisard@droa.com

On 23/12/2010 3:45 PM, XXX wrote:
I'm not interested in your attempt at justification although this has been quite entertaining for my friends and colleagues and I on our social networking sites. They are taking notes.

You send me a link to your own site? You think I care what your company says about your pricing and how you beat the competition? I can do my own research thank you. I pay less on Go Daddy and Pappashop FYI.

Bottom line, take me off of your mailing list.

Don't respond to this, you are wasting my time now. I am putting you and droa in my spam folder.

P.S. You might want to spell check next time it only shows your lack of professionalism.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Voisard
To: XXX
Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Shady business practice

Unfortunately we will have to disagree as our letter quite clearly states in bold lettering that "This notice is not a bill", it asked the potential customer if they are interested in transferring their domain name to us. It is everyone's responsibility to read the information they are presented with, not reading it and claiming that you were deceived is not a vlaid response and is a way to deflect your own personal responsibility. So your assertion that it is not clear as to the purpose of the letter is wholly misguided.

As for our prices we offer the lowest domain registration and hosting services in the industry, feel free to compare our pricing to other similar services: http://www.droa.com/whinfo.asp

Eric Voisard
Customer Relations Manager
1-866-434-0212 ex 248
evoisard@droa.com

On 23/12/2010 3:22 PM, XXX wrote:
I wouldn't say clearly. That is a stretch. That language is hidden within several paragraphs into the letter. This looks just like the renewal for a domain, not a solicitation. You can put whatever spin you want on this but DROA has designed this letter to deceive customers into thinking it is a renewal not a solicitation to transfer their domain. You and I both know that people rarely thoroughly read through their mail, particularly one that looks like a bill. You are counting on this in fact. I think it is shameful that DROA would stoop to this level and am looking into my options on transferring my domain from your company to another. I think it comical that you mention how low your prices are when it is a well known fact that you have some of the higher prices out there. I had few options when I first purchased my domain name, now there are many and I plan to take advantage of this competitive market and get out of business with a company who seeks to prey on its customers and in such a duplicitous manner.

If you truly want to offer a service and not seek to take advantage of people you would design a letter that looks like a solicitation and not one that looks identical to one of your actual bills. I know this will not happen because clearly your company is unscrupulous. Any company that would do this in the first place is lacking a moral compass.

Nonetheless, don't send me this garbage again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Voisard
To: XXX
Sent: Thu, Dec 23, 2010 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: Shady business practice

Dear Customer

The letter you received is a solicitation asking you to consider our firm for the renewal of your domain name. You have the choice of renewing your domain name with any registrar of your choice. The solicitation clearly states that you are transferring your domain name from one place to another if you decide to renew your domain name with our firm. The advertisement also goes as far as saying that you don't have to renew your domain name with the current registrar or with the Domain Registry of America as the choice is yours.

Eric Voisard
Customer Relations Manager
1-866-434-0212 ex 248
evoisard@droa.com

On 23/12/2010 1:58 PM, XXX wrote:
Please take me off of your mailing list. I have one domain with you (papillonprincess.com) and that is it. I received what looks like a renewal notice for another website I have but you have nothing to do with that site. I maintain that domain through another company and I think it is really shady of you to send me a "bill" to renew something you don't have. Why would I pay $35 a year through you when I pay only $11.99 with someone else?

Don't ever send me something like this again. This is very sketchy business practice of yours and I will be sharing it with my business colleagues. The only bill I expect to see from you is the papillonprincess.com one and even that I hope to stop in the future.

XXX

My experience exactly, plus they were also trying to sell me additional domains I already own. Bunch of crooks.

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These scumbags stole one of my clients who does not speak English too well. I am the admin contact and own the domain eagletravelplaza.com which was used by one of my budget $399 year website clients.

DRA sent a renewal notice to my client who paid for 2 years of service with them. And he will not pay me the rightful owner of the domain for my service. I have since turned the site off and put the domain up for sale, but i keep getting these scammy emails from DRA to unlock the domain so they can have it.

Calls to them do no good, they just hang up on me!

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i was scammed by this company also losing my website domain. this has been the cause of me losing my business and cannot recuperate it. beware people beware. the notice i received is deceptive and makes you think that they are the company hosting my domain. shame on them

I have had so many clients ask me why they are getting this letter when I take care of all their registration. I explained to them what they do and the reaction is always the same. “How can they be allowed to do this?” My reply is basically, ‘it’s not technically fraud’ and remind them that they are in good hands with me and that if they receive any more, to disregard them.

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I agree with all the above. The letter looks like a bill and calls for a "renewal" which makes you think that your domain name is already registered with them. It is very deceptive. I called them immediately when I found out from our webmaster that someone was trying to transfer our domain name and cancelled it. I'm hoping that it all works out.

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From: transfers@namejuice.com
Subject: RE: xxxxx.com; Order # 1783350
Date: September 3, 2010 1:24:18 AM PDT
To: xxxxxxx
Reply-To: support@namejuice.com

Attention: xxxxxxxx,

Re: Transfer of xxxxx.com

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If you WISH TO PROCEED with the transfer, you must respond to this message via one of the following methods (note if you do not respond by Wednesday, September 08, 2010, xxxxx.com will not be transferred to us.).

Option 1
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(mail to):7100 Warden Avenue, Suite 8, Markham, Ontario, Canada, L3R8B5

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after years of discarding Domain Registry of America trash they finally scored on me. I was in a rush to leave for vacation and I paid them $95 renewal fee for my domain name which I have registered with EZ-Domain. In hindsight it seems incredible, but they are slime balls and they must make pretty good money preying unaware or distracted people.

I received this same notice in the mail. They had the right expiration date, but we have our domains listed with Go Daddy. And if you look at the bottom left, it says "you must provide a valid email address to complete your renewal." If this were legit, they would already have my email address. Shameless!

Here is the email I received today:

From:
Customer Support
...
To: me

To BEST POLICY MUSIC,

Thank you for choosing to transfer and renew bestpolicymusic.com with the Domain Registry of America. Upon testing your current administrative email address we have not been able to contact you to complete your transfer and renewal with Domain Registry of America. This may be because xxxx@yahoo.com is no longer in use, or misspelled.

If these changes have yet to be made, please follow the directions below, to have the administrative email address corrected. Failure to do so will prevent you from being able to retrieve your EPP/Transfer Authorization Code and transfer and renew your domain name with Domain Registry of America. Call your current registrar and have these changes made to your administrative email address.

Your current registrar is 1&1 INTERNET AG.

1) Introduce yourself as the person responsible for the domain name bestpolicymusic.com

2) Ask them to change your Administrative Contact email address to the one you are now using. (You may be asked to present them with personal information, so that they may confirm your identity as the owner)

3) Once they have changed your administrative email address ask to them to email you your EPP Code or Transfer Authorization code, then supply it to us.

Please note that, unfortunately, Domain Registry of America cannot make these changes on your behalf. Only the owner of the domain name is authorized to make these changes.

Also, your domain may be locked by your current registrar, please have them UNLOCK it in order for the transfer to be completed.

Up to this date your changes have yet to be reflected in the WHOIS database. If this is your first notice please follow the directions above, otherwise this is to serve as a reminder.

As a convenience, we have supplied your current registrars phone number below.

Domain: bestpolicymusic.com
Current Registrar: 1&1 INTERNET AG
Registrar Phone Number: Please visit their site to contact them

Thank you,

Renewals & Transfers Department
-Domain Registry of America

Please have your Domain Registry of America order number (#1765944) ready when calling

8/12/2010 4:00:30 AM

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Here was my response to them:

To: support@droa.com
Cc: spam@uce.gov

"Domain Registry of America,

F**k off.
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I hope this does not constitute an authorization to transfer my account. This really makes me mad.

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I called and spoke to Eric about the "Domain Name Expiration Notice". He insists that they are legit and that it is written in bold type "This notice is not a bill.
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I just got one today. I threw it right away. This is like my 50th time getting one...

There appears to be another company, US Domain Protection Services, 130 Church st. , suite 280, n.y. 10007 that at least appears to do the same thing. They send an email, Final Notice of Domain Extension. They threaten that you will not be able to see your web site anymore if you do not renew at an exorbitant rate. Make sure you check with your original company before paying out for what you don't need.

I have read a lot of these post and while I can't stand DROA they are not a scam. I know I will get blow back from this. What they are is a very unethical domain registrar. They do charge a little too much but there business model is not misleading. Their statement is correct that if you fail to renew your domain by the expiration date, you could lose your domain. I do not agree with what they do but it is not a scam. The letter stats you do not have to renew with your current registrar or DROA. I have lost customers to these yahoos and while it makes me mad, what they do is a legitimate business. The send out mailings based on your whois info.

The best way to keep yourself protected from getting these letters or having customers get the letters is to make your domain registration private. DROA gets your infromation by doing a whois lookup. All your contact info is publicly available by doing this.

Just my two cents.

As others mentioned, I too received a bill to renew petwelfare411.com. Unfortunately, I was unaware that this was a scam and paid for a two year renewal to the tune of $50.
does anyone know if I can fight and get my money back? Yes, I was an idiot for doing this without researching the company, and my domain doesn't even expire until March 2010. Any guidance will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for the information--I received a notice from DRoA today (11/27/09), stating that my registration would expire unless I pay by 12/28/09. On top of being misleading, it listed someone else's domain name. We are a non-profit museum, and unfortunately we see a lot of scams like this.

A friend has lost her online business because of the DROA scam. Most of the above posts were about losing $30, but there was little discussion about promptly regaining use of ones website. Has anyone out there ever figured out how to regained use of their website so as to be able to get back in business?

1-877-382-4357

ic3.gov

cybercrime.gov

onguardonline.gov

File FIRST with the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) - and then with the BBB (Better Business Bureau). I will soon post address for the "owners" of this "company" and you can then send their garbage back to them.

Mitchell J. Katz,
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2161
Staff Contact:
Stephen L. Cohen or Eric A. Wenger,
Bureau of Consumer Protection
202-326-3222; 326-2310

File FIRST with the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) - and then with the BBB (Better Business Bureau). I will soon post address for the "owners" of this "company" and you can then send their garbage back to them.

is another prime mover in this scam operation. Go to the Better Business Bureau website and do a search on Domain Registry of America.

Eric Voisard is clearly the leader of this notorious scam operation, out of Toronto. Eric Voisard.

sorry for the mispelling folks i just became so angry ....
i just found this out about the scam and i could not even see straight!

Its partly my fault. I should be watching for things like this. I did speak to someone in Canada who seemed reluctant to speak, but after he sensed that did not know what was going on he chwnged his tune to offering to host the site for an additional 10.00 on top of what i had already paint in July! 50.00. It may not seem like alot but i remember when I was doing reall good in my business and I would send in alot more because I wanted to avoid having to renew over and over each year. What a dummy. Oh well live and learn

9/24/09 - I received a bill from them today which is identical to the one posted here from them. Scam still active.

I just issued the following complaint via ICANN's Web-based complaint form. I'm not sure it will do any good since ICANN, which accredits domain name registrars, notes that they are not an enforcement agency -- however, it can't hurt to get the word out to them if they're in the dark on this.

ICANN COMPLAINT:
On 9/23/09 I received a bogus "Domain Name Expiration Notice" from Domain Registry of America, which holds itself out as a private company that acts as a "Registration Service Provider." Domain Registry of America, in conjunction with eNom and Brandon Grey Internet Services INC, ICANN accredited registrars, sends out letters of this type all the time to unsuspecting consumers whose domains are NOT registered with them, and whose domains are NOT expiring. My domain, for example, will NEVER expire as long as I continue hosting it with 1&1 web hosting. It is my suggestion that you contact these registrars as well as Domain Registry of America and issue a "Cease and Desist" notice. Then, if they continue this practice you should advise eNom and Brandon Grey Internet Services that they will no longer be ICANN accredited registrars to put an end to this madness. When they do snag someone's domain, the word on the street is that they refuse to transfer the domain to other registrars and refuse to offer refunds. For more on their illegal practices see the blog at [link to this blog].

Domain Registry of America's Toronto call center "supervisor" Eric Voisard--who seems to be in charge of the scam--says they've been in business for 10 years. A very successful scam, it seems. At least two other men at DROA are operating this scam: Peter Chan and Steven Linn. All three of these men are located in Toronto. Eric Voisard's email address is evoisard@droa.com. I'm putting this information on as many website discussions as I can, for two reasons: to inform potential scamees, and to try to get these names as Google-able as possible, so these criminals will have trouble getting jobs at legitimate companies in the future.

I get their letters of renewal too. It must be pretty profitable for them, been getting for years. You would think the legitimate organizations would lobby to shut people like that down. It takes busines away from them.

I have had exactly the same experience except that I payed thinking it was a legitimate bill. I intend to try and get my money back - but if that fails I will try to get it back from my credit card. Living in a continuing care facility for seniors (80 yrs) it's kind of hard to pursue a scam of this sort.

Now I’ve given them back some of their shit. I have had the customer relations manager Eric Voisard evoisard@droa.com on a series of emails suggesting I want to register a domain dancefever.ws

I have created a lot of work for him and now I told him I sent them money via Western Union (which I obviously have not) This is what they wrote to me last “We do not normally accept payment in this fashion, we will have to send someone to pick it up later today or maybe even tomorrow”. Whoever they send is going to look like a fool at the Western Union office with my phony code to pick up the money!

I suggest more people do the same. Use evoisard@droa.com or sales@droa.com

After a 100 or so phony mails suggesting interest in services they will never be able to tell if an email request is real or not.

Domain Registry of America is at it again by doing business as the Domain Renewal Group. What a bunch of scam artists. It's exactly the same company, same addresses, same everything. So apparently their disgusting reputation was becoming better known so they decided like any other defunct immoral business to dba another name. These companies obviously have and same letter with a slight change in the icon. Same small print on the back that lures a business into false pretence and scams them out of money. The address to send the checks is the same too.

Domain Renewal Group = Domain Registry of America

BEWARE!!! This is a SCAM

This same company has tried to scam me several times over the past couple years via email and U.S. mail ("snail mail"). The latter would definitely constitute mail fraud except Domain Registry of America very carefully worded their letter so that it will be viewed by authorities in the U.S. as just an opportunistic attempt to get your business and not an actual attempt to defraud you. Scaring a potential customer is not a crime in the United States.

This is what happens when your domain registry is public instead of private. These con artists find your domain expiration information in the "Who's Who" registry (or some such darn thing). You can make your registry private by paying your legitimate domain registration service extra money to do that.

So, Domain Registry of America is about as crooked as they come but they'll never see a fine or do jail time. Not in America, anyway, where it has always been "buyer beware".

This is grounds for a lawsuit. So why don't you all sue them? They have to show up to court or it is an automatic win for you. Stop complaining, get a lawyer, and sue their asses. If you're not going to do that, then stop complaining.

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Scams like the one droa are running are just shameful - doesn't advertising like that count as fraud? Well, at any rate, their website is still up. It definitely shouldn't be. I hope that enough people are reporting these vultures to the BBB and the FTC to get something done - hopefully a jail sentence for the people that run these kind of scams, and I don't care if they claim if it's just a marketing strategy. That isn't marketing, that is lying - that's fraud. Look, if I tell you about a website that sells payday loans like personalmoneystore, then I just told you about a service or a product - that's what marketing is. If I tell someone that they owe for one already - when they DON'T - and then get them to take one, that's fraud. Anyone who does that deserves an 8x8 room with the barred view.

When I figured out what had happened, I called and canceled and also emailed. No refund. Weeks go by, more calls more emails still no refund. Today I filed a regulation E complaint at my bank. Suggest that is the first thing one should do. Lesson is to more carefully read my "bills". I would never do business with this firm, and had I taken an extra minute or two to check it out, I would not be in this situation.

I WANT MY STORY HEARD AND SHARED. !!!!!! I AM SURE THAT YOU ALL WILL THINK THAT I AM STUPID, BUT HERE'S MY STORY!! AND IF ANYONE OUT THERE CAN GET ME SOME PUBLICITY I NEED IT BAD!!!!!

THIS ALL BEGAN DURING THE RECENT HURRICANES TO OUR AREA HERE IN LOUISIANA. MY HUSBAND BECAME LAID OFF OF WORK. SO TO MAKE ENDS MEET I WENT ONLINE TO GET A JOB UNTIL WE COULD FIND OTHER WORK HERE. I WROTE IN TO MANY PLACES, AND RECEIVED A FEW REPLIES. ONE THAT I RECIEVED WAS TO BECOME A DEBT COLLECTION AGENT. THE COMPANY NEEDED SOMEONE TO PLACE CALLS AND GET PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR BACK PAYMENTS TO THE COMPANY.( YOU KNOW THOSE PHONE CALLS THAT YOU GET WHEN YOU ARE BEHIND ON YOUR BILLS. ) I DID THIS FOR ABOUT 4 WEEKS, I EAS TO GET A COMMISSION ON EACH ONE THAT I GOT TO PAY. I WORKED DAY IN AND DAY OUT. MY COMMISSION WAS TO BE 126,000.00 FROM ACCOUNTS PAID THAT I HAD CONTACTED. I RECEIVED MY FIRST CHECK. OFFICIAL BANK CHECK DROWN ON BB&T BANK THE AMOUT WAS LESS THAN WHAT I WAS TO RECEIVE, IT WAS FOR 98,500.00 SO I FIGURED THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT I EARNED AFTER TAXES. I TAKE IT TO THE BANK. ME AND MY HUSBAND OPEN AN ACCOUNT AT FIRST AMERICAN BANK IN VALCHERIE LOUISIANA. WE DEPOSIT THE MONEY!!!! WE NEVER RECEIVED A DIME FROM THE BANK.

AT FIRST BB&T CONFIRMED THE CHECK, BUT THEN I RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE BANK STATED THAT THEY BELIEVED THE CHECK WAS COUNTERFIET!!!! THEY WOULD LET ME KNOW IF IT WENT THROUGH OR NOT. THE NEXT THING I KNOW, ME AND MY HUSBAND WERE ARRESTED FOR BANK FRAUD AND MONENTARY INSTRUMENT ABUSE. WE ARE TO ARRAIGNED FEBARUARY 3, 2008. IN SAINT JAMES PARISH IN LOUISIANA. MY NAME IS SHAUNDALE SCOTT CONSTANT AND MY HUSBAND IS DAVID JOSEPH CONSTANT SR. WE ARE GOOD PEOPLE, WE DID NOTHING WRONG!!! WE NEED TO GET OUR STORY HEARD... WE NEED TO GET HELP... WE HAVE NO MONEY LEFT AFTER BOND, AND STILL NO WORK, WE CAN NOT AFFORD AN ATTORNEY, AND WE HAVE 3 BOYS. WE ARE NOT CRIMINALS..... CAN SOME ONE HELP ME WHAT ARE WE TO DO?????????

SIGNED,

SCAMMED AND ARRESTED!

My sister fell for this back in 2003 before they were required to stop misrepresenting themselves. She ‘renewed’ for two years and I didn’t even realize that this company had her site until 2006. We tried to transfer it away from them at that time and then again in 2007. In 2008 we thought we finally had it taken care of, but our other hosting company and made a mistake, so we were back to square one.

I’ve spent hours trying to get one of their managers, Eric, to allow me to transfer. Turns out the hosting company and Brandon Gray International (aka Namejuice dot com) all lead back to the same people. It's such a complete and utter scam. Before I realized how debase these people really were, I thought I could reason with them. I pointed out to Eric that he was violating ICANN policy, but he said his company policy required me to wait 120 days for my credit card to clear — what total BS!!!!. He didn’t care that he was violating ICANN policy.

He then offered to let me transfer it for $200 dollars. Since, he refused to allow me to transfer because of his ‘company policy,’ I asked him to show me where it stated he could charge me for the transfer. He had the audacity to put me on hold and go in and change his policy before getting back on the phone and telling me where to find it. Since I was already familiar with the company’s business practices, I had already opened all the policy pages in tabs in my browser, so of course my copy didn’t have the one liner saying he could charge me!!! I can not believe this guy could be so blatant and stupid. I’ve already submitted a complaint to ICANN. And after repeatedly seeing this company’s complete and utter lack of ethics, I will do whatever I can to help see them pay for their crimes.

If anyone has a copy of the letter they send out, please get it posted on the web where I can find it, or send it in here so it can be forwarded to me. I’m particularly looking for one of their earlier ones that only state in small print that this is a transfer. I'm trying to find the one they originally sent us back in 2003. I appreciate any help.

My hope is to get my sister’s domain out of these crook’s hands and try to stop them from causing anyone else this pain.

I agree with the solution Corwin, if everyone did the same thing, this type of scam no more!

I have been receiving letters from them as well, I have already asked them to remove me from the list and to never contact me again. Guess what? A couple months later, I get another one for another domain name I own. I warned them last time that if they do contact me again, I would contact ICANN as well as the BBB. After searching on Google a bit, I decided to also file a complaint with the FTC, which I did a few minutes ago. So they now have a complaint from me with ICANN (which they are accredited under Namejuice.com/BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES), BBB, and FTC.

I see that in 2003 the FTC took action against them while DRoA was reselling for eNom. I came across your blog while searching Google for more information about these scammers. I love the recording. It is amusing how when backed in to a corner they behave like the rats they are. They hide. Count me as one !@#$!@#% off consumer!

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They told me at the post office if I got another such letter to try to give it to them as use of the Mail in a
fraudulent or intently misleading way could be a Federal Offense wihch would probably shut them down so thry that too! Let the Post Office konw why it is being given to them and get the workers name to follow uo with them and how you could track the issue as it goes to the Federal Government. They have had more than one "business" name BTW. What I did try to do onw time is I called information Operator in Chicago area and by online search and their address on the offer traced it to a building that has other businessed in it also. Something about their location and business name and NOT being able to REACH them THERE! told me this was truly as best as I could find out a SCAM. The idea of mailing back junk in their business envelope though not the best thing to do... sounds even better. What someone should do:
They hsould work with a big bank and set up a termporary checking account and have special ink/coding hidden in the paper and send out an alert to the Checking Accounts of major banks and if they could program in the new Check Readers to flag it if is cashed. The police or federal governmebnt could have a worker ready to go and give them their MNirand Rights and handcuff them. But they are evwen smarter than that I think.... At least every check they would get they would be hesitant to cash it? :-)

I am a website designer that takes care of domain name registrations for my clients. Domain Registry of America attempted to transfer one of my client's domains to their registrar service. Their email makes it look like my client requested the transfer when in fact he hadn't. They also provide a link you can click on but if you click on the link it will automatically authorize the transfer and unlock the domain. The link goes to droa.com

This latest Domain Registry of American scam started for me on October 2, 2008.

Watch out for this one folks.

It's shocking, but I when I got one of these letters I noticed that, even at £20 Sterling a year, these con artists are still 25% cheaper than the guys who are legitimately holding our domain. Grrr! :o(

The person who handles invoices for a group I deal with accidentally sent them $50. I found out about it, called them up, said it was an error and we wanted not to use their service. The person, Jessica, that I spoke with said they would issue a refund and it would arrive in a few weeks. Hopefully that will not be a scam, too!
These people have a good scam going!

Why is "Domain Registry of America" still able to operate?
"BRANDON GRAY INTERNET SERVICES INC. dba Namejuice.com has received a
request from Domain Registry of America on 3/25/2008 12:32:19 PM for us
to become the new registrar of record."

A solution with DRA is to send back their envelope for payment filled with journal paper but without affixing any postage stamp and without your personal address. If they want to know the content of the envelope, they must pay for the tax. And we can hope they will receive thousands of unfranked mails.

I was totally taken by suprise by this letter, the SAME one that you all got. Now I know not to send them money. Such a scam!

When I saw this letter it kind of puzzled me, I had to wonder why I was getting this. I don't want people to loss there businesses because of this, kind of scam.
I am very upset with people like this .